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  • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

    Originally posted by croz24 View Post
    lmao at dcpacersfan completely TRASHING oj mayo yet hyping arguably the most raw player in college basketball as potentially the great center...
    Regardless, if it comes down to the Pacers having their chose between those two players you know they will pick Thabeet.

    As for the talk of trading Granger for a pick, the Pacers will never do that either. I could see them trading him for the draft rights for someone like Gordon though.

    My thinking there is Danny is a favorite, but they would be trading him for someone who should be another favorite, while thinning the small forward ranks and trading for a need.

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    • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

      Originally posted by croz24 View Post
      foster, granger, and jo could all land us 1st round picks...nothing great but 1sts nonetheless...but you also realize that teams last year were essentially willing to sell their 1st round picks. i'd be willing to bet that phoenix would trade their atl 1st rounder for jeff in some sort of deal...and as far as last year's draft, yes, it was top heavy but there has never been the amount of freshman dominating college basketball as there has been this year. even if half of those players come out, this draft will be litered with potential. so i stand by my comment that this could be one of the better, deepest, most potential filled drafts in history...
      If Foster or JONeal can get us a 1st round pick next season....I would definitely consider it. Although I disagree about the trade of both player....Foster is the only one that can probably get us a late 1st round pick. Unless JONeal is able to return to ( the closest thing ) his regular self.....he has a 40 mil anchor tied to his injury-prone body ( which severely negates any value that he has ). As for Granger, unless he is traded alongside Tinsley or Murphy to get a 1st round pick and a very good player in return....he's one of our core players that we are rebuilding around.
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      • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

        Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
        Regardless, if it comes down to the Pacers having their chose between those two players you know they will pick Thabeet.

        As for the talk of trading Granger for a pick, the Pacers will never do that either. I could see them trading him for the draft rights for someone like Gordon though.

        My thinking there is Danny is a favorite, but they would be trading him for someone who should be another favorite, while thinning the small forward ranks and trading for a need.
        I completely agree with you on this.....if Bird doesn't at least pick up the phone and call whatever team drafted Gordon and offer Granger....I will be upset. It's at least worth a try.
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        • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

          So.....did anyone watch the UConn/IU game?

          Does anyone have any opinion of Thabeet based off of what they saw of him in the game?
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          • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

            Originally posted by CableKC View Post
            So.....did anyone watch the UConn/IU game?

            Does anyone have any opinion of Thabeet based off of what they saw of him in the game?
            It's hard to have an opinion of any center who plays against IU because IU doesn't have a legit center, and hasn't for some time now (Marco was good for about half a season).

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            • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

              Originally posted by CableKC View Post
              So.....did anyone watch the UConn/IU game?

              Does anyone have any opinion of Thabeet based off of what they saw of him in the game?
              i've never been terribly impressed by thabeet. at the beginning of the game he played solid defense on dj white -- good footwork. but eventually he'd just get caught and dj or cutting player would be wide open and thabeet would be nowhere close. so he still relies too much on being 7'3".

              gordon had a few impressive moments but his defensive weaknesses were easily exposed.

              EDIT: shade is right about the size. dj is 6'9" and i think deandre thomas is like 6'8" . so ultimately it is difficult to judge.
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              • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                So.....did anyone watch the UConn/IU game?

                Does anyone have any opinion of Thabeet based off of what they saw of him in the game?
                He's good. Just not for us. And not for Obie.
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                • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                  Originally posted by Mourning View Post
                  I don't necessarily see what dcpacersfan wrote as a contradiction .

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                  Mourning
                  it's the fact that he's willing to knock a player who's proven himself at every level as at least a big time scorer/player, and then hype of somebody who has only proven to be an occasionally solid defender. the draft is a toss up either way, that's the contradiction. dc has no clue what oj mayo will turn out to be yet seems to think he knows exactly what thabeet (again most raw player in college basketball) will become...i don't want mayo on my team but nobody knows how any of the players will turn out...

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                  • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                    So.....did anyone watch the UConn/IU game?

                    Does anyone have any opinion of Thabeet based off of what they saw of him in the game?
                    My Tivo puked on that one so I didn't get it.

                    I noticed low rebounds which would seem to be bad, but then you are looking for how more than how many.


                    As for Mayo, I've been catching up with some games I only saw part of. I was watching some more of the Wash St/USC game and I still think Mayo is going to get overlooked by some people and slip into someone's hands.

                    His game is NBA ready. In that game he showed an NBA-caliber pull up and shoot, an Isiah-esque spin, the ability and desire to set back screens for OTHER players, the ability to properly attack and dish on the break, a willingness to get up and defend (as he did vs Rose in that Memphis game), and a desire to BANG for rebounds rather than settle for long ones to fall into his lap.

                    I don't see him as a stat grabber, I see him as a player that is much better than a lot of the talent around him. Now it could be that if he gets paid his game will fall off, but right now his defensive and rebounding attitudes suggest a team type of player to me.

                    My only question on his game is his leadership knowledge. He can do his part but he doesn't seem ready to lead others. That's where staying in college another year could help him. But he's not the only player that could benefit from that for various reasons (Thabeet, Gordon, Rose all come to mind right away).

                    I'd swap Tins out for Mayo in a heartbeat. He doesn't strike me as Marbury at all, but then I'm not hanging out with him. Who knows what dirt he has on Floyd. Seriously though he hasn't come across as a cocky punk in the least when I've watched him, just impressive.


                    I'm no pro scout and could be way off. This is just our impressions mostly from TV viewing, right. So if they pick him and he's a disaster there's no "see dummy". We all know the draft is nuts. This one does seem deeper than last year but I thought last year was getting a ton of hype based on the top end power. Acie Law was a lottery pick. Who really thought of Acie Law a guard in the Gordon/Rose/Mayo category? I wasn't sold that Conley was for that matter, and I like his game. To me Conley should have gone closer to where Law went, maybe 8-9.

                    And of course it's the first year. Gotta give drafts 3-4 years to mature.
                    Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 01-27-2008, 04:20 PM.

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                    • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                      Originally posted by d_c View Post
                      Thabeet is listed at 7'3" and is probably pretty close to that in real life. He's pretty damn tall.
                      Originally posted by CableKC
                      Both of them are legit 7 footers.....both of which are listed as 7 foot 2 ( Hibbert ) and 7 foot 3 ( Thabeet ).
                      BTW, my comment on his height wasn't that I didn't believe people, it was that it surprised me. Let's face it, TV viewing isn't the same as seeing up close. I guess Hibbert just played more upright and Thabeet was in a more athletic/agile stance when I saw them. As I said, Thabeet struck me as a young Antonio Davis perhaps (raw).

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                      • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                        I wouldn't touch Mayo. Has headcase or malcontent written all over him IMO.

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                        • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                          UConn played IU on Saturday. I'm guessing that some of you watched the game. How did Thabeet look?

                          His box score didn't look that great....but how was his defense and overall game?

                          I've seen Thabeet a few times - he obviously doesn't have the basketball skills of all these other 1st rounders, but c'mon, the man is 7'3" and athletic! A very rare combination. I still don't know if he's someone I'd build a team around, but I'd like to have him on my team. He has pretty good footwork and appears to be a hard worker, and from what I've seen I'd project him to have a Mutombo-type career with better offense. He might not be an NBA All-Star, but he'll be solid.

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                          • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                            If Thabeet can provide some scoring, rebounding and defense AND be durable, he would be
                            a great fit for the Pacers. One draft is not going to fix what ails the Pacers but it will be a
                            start. That and a couple of years(contracts expiring or being traded ie JO) will also help
                            tremendously.

                            If we are talking raw and talented the Pacers should also consider Serge Ibaka or
                            Kevin Love would be a Diogu replacement and be a much better passer and rebounder.
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                            • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                              I don't see him as a stat grabber, I see him as a player that is much better than a lot of the talent around him..
                              I honestly don't know that much about Mayo, but to me he's more of a guy that just seems to know he's better than everyone else than a punk. It's a fine line I suppose, but a good percentage of the All Time greats (MJ, Bird, Lebron, Barkley, GP, Kobe) have made quite a career out of dedicating their careers to making sure than everyone in the game knew that they were the best player on the court at all times.

                              Obviously, I'm not saying that Mayo is anywhere close to that type of talent...hell, I've only seen him play three times and some youtube clips. I'm just saying that from what I've seen he's just a dude that knows he's better at basketball than everyone else he's ever played against and not some sort of malcontent.

                              Confident moreso than arrogant...Cocksure more so than cocky.

                              What exactly are the issues with him? I've seen the clip of him throwing the ball into the stands and ending a game when there was still like 20 seconds left or whatever. And I've heard the story about how he told Tim Floyd he was coming to USC and would do the recruiting himself. But neither of those seem damning, even if the first one is mildly ridiculous.

                              Again, this is probably too much for me to write about a guy I don't have a huge opinion on from a basketball standpoint or mentalitywise...but from my limited purview, he seems more in that realm of Rudy Gay, who was a guy I always wondered why people considered him a malcontent. What was it that made people stay away from Rudy other than the continued mention of the term "shaky character" in draft previews? McCants was a little like that too. The questions on both their characters seemed like rumor, speculation and innuendo with those guys based upon old white guy sportwriters watching their facial expressions and demeanor on TV...and so far that's what Mayo feels like.
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                              • Re: Official 2008 NBA Draft recruiting center...

                                [quote=owl;648686]
                                If we are talking raw and talented the Pacers should also consider Serge Ibaka [quote]


                                Yeah that kids intrigues me so much. For those who don't know him I will repost somethings.
                                Last edited by Major Cold; 01-28-2008, 11:45 AM.

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