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    Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

    Mitch Lawrence is not a very dependable insider, so I post this for entertainment purproses only. But it seems like it could have been true.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/v-...p-413118c.html

    New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com
    Indy's change of Pace

    Sunday, January 21st, 2007

    In the 26 months since Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest charged into the stands to fight the fans at the Palace of Auburn Hills, the Indiana Pacers had put up with a lot more bad behavior from Jackson: Not only was there an act of insubordination that resulted in a team-ordered suspension earlier this season, but Jackson had been among a group of players who were seemingly more interested in enjoying the nightlife in various NBA cities on a regular basis than they were in trying to get the Pacers into the playoffs.

    There was also Jackson's celebrated visit to an Indianapolis strip club, Club Rio, at the start of training camp. Around 3 a.m. on Oct. 10, outside the club, he fired five shots from his 9mm pistol after he was hit in the mouth and struck by a car. Next month, he is scheduled to face charges of criminal recklessness, battery and disorderly conduct. Jackson was also viewed in some quarters as the leader of a group of players who had taken control of the Pacers' locker room, making it harder for coach Rick Carlisle to exert his authority.

    So why did the Pacers finally cut ties with Jackson last week, when they sent him to Golden State in an eight-player trade? Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh didn't single out Jackson's previous troubles or the fact that his coach had an almost impossible job trying to control Jackson and several other teammates.

    "I felt our team was together and trying to win, but for whatever reason, they weren't looking at the standings, and taking each game like, 'If we get this game, we can move up on this team,' " Walsh said. "They were just out there playing, but we need to go after it and I just didn't see that developing."

    Several persons in the organization say that the Pacers finally decided it was time for Jackson to go when they had become concerned about his influence on Danny Granger, their promising second-year forward. Walsh and team president Larry Bird are convinced that Granger has a real chance to become a superstar. As much damage as Jackson had done to the franchise, they didn't want him messing with one of their key performers.

    "That was the last straw," said a source. "They saw what was happening and didn't want (Jackson) to be a negative influence on Granger."

    In the end, the Pacers took on more money by acquiring Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy Jr., and parted with the best player in the deal, Al Harrington. But they managed to finally get Ike Diogu, a forward with good post skills who they had tried to get from the Warriors last year when they were shopping Artest.

    But the best thing about the deal is that the Pacers achieved some closure in the post-Auburn Hills era. While Detroit has moved on from the brawl, the Pacers have needed a public-relations makeover for more than two years. Their once-loyal fans, among the NBA's best when they had Reggie Miller and a team that got to the 2000 Finals, had started to abandon the Pacers in the wake of the Detroit riot. Last spring against the Nets in the playoffs, the empty seats at Conseco Fieldhouse were so plentiful, one New Jersey official looked around and said, "Is this really Indiana?"

    The Pacers could never really begin to win their fans back and start anew until they got rid of Jackson. Now, the two players who couldn't wait to race into the seats and fight the Detroit fans are gone. That's why this past week's trade might have been the most important in Indiana Pacers history. Because while it was about helping their future, it was also about putting a close to an ugly part of their past.

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    Something's amiss with the Spurs and it really starts with the fact that Manu Ginobili has tailed off since nearly winning the MVP award in the 2005 Finals. He's only in his fifth NBA season, but Ginobili turns 30 this June and he's racked up a lot of mileage playing for his Argentine national team. It's shown in his production. When the Spurs won their last title, he averaged 21 ppg on 51% shooting. Entering this weekend, he was at 16 ppg and 45%. The Spurs are one of several teams looking at the Clippers' Corey Maggette, who could bring them a spark, but also might be a bad fit because he has a low basketball IQ.

    In the wake of the Broncos' Darrent Williams' murder in Denver, and other shootings in that city involving pro athletes, the NBA this past week ordered its security forces in all 29 cities to come up with a list of clubs and other night spots that should be made off-limits to players. Once the clubs are identified, with the help of local law enforcement, the league will send a directive to teams mandating that players avoid those spots or be subject to a substantial fine.

    The Nets can't be happy that Jason Kidd has decided that he wants to play for Team USA. At his age, the last thing they want is for him to commit to playing in the offseason.

    Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony may prove able to play with each other, but swingman J.R. Smith might be the biggest Nuggets' problem, with his superstar-sized ego possibly getting in the way of accepting fewer shots.

    He is listed at 185 pounds, although he looks more like he's about 150, but Sacramento shooting guard Kevin Martin continues to amaze with his 51% shooting and 20.9 scoring average. Coming into this season, he was a career 7.8 per game scorer. "You can tell he's been working on his game because now he can get his shot off the dribble," said Allan Houston, after watching Martin blitz the Knicks for 30 points last week. "When a person improves as much as he has, that tells you he's a relentless worker."
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    Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

    Here is an article on Dunleavy from the S.F Chronicle

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...type=printable

    Fan appreciation night for Dunleavy
    - David White, Chronicle Staff Writer
    Sunday, January 21, 2007


    (01-21) 04:00 PST Indianapolis -- Some fans pumped a fist, others whistled their approval and most cheered at lungs' top, all for the name of ... Mike Dunleavy?

    Those approval screamings during pregame introductions were welcome proof Dunleavy isn't in Oakland anymore, where Warriors fans treated him with disdain ever since he was taken with the No. 3 overall pick of the 2002 NBA draft.

    Well, guess what? If Warriors fans were giddy to see Dunleavy sent along his merry way in Wednesday's eight-player swap with the Pacers, Dunleavy can match them clap for clap.

    And you thought all that home-game booing didn't get to Dunleavy after all these underachieving years.

    "Honestly, I just got used to it," Dunleavy said before scoring 14 points in his Pacers debut, a 108-106 loss to the Knicks on Saturday.

    "It was kind of pathetic on their part. But, there's nothing I could do except play as hard as I could. That's all I did. I just kind of tuned it out and didn't really let it affect me day to day."

    It's not all bitter herbs. Dunleavy complimented Warriors coach Don Nelson. He thanked team vice president Chris Mullin, then flew to Indiana and chose the No. 17 jersey worn by Mullin as a Pacers player.

    Still, Dunleavy kept saying he was "excited" to be here. From the sounds of the Conseco Fieldhouse audience, the hugs and kisses were mutual.

    He was 6-for-17 from the field, which is what Warriors fans have been talking about all along, yet there wasn't a single jeer from the fans. Think about it: Dunleavy got booed at home in November for missing a free throw with a 22-point lead.

    "A clean slate is exciting for players going to new places," Pacers coach Rick Carlisle said. "These things take time and it seems to go smoother when you win."

    Dunleavy scored all his points in a 7-minute span of the third quarter. He made three jumpers, a three-pointer, a tip-in and an underhanded driving layup.

    "Way to go Dunleavy!" a fan yelled from Row 3. "Whew!"

    Believe Dunleavy, the pleasure's his.

    He was in the starting lineup for just the third time since Nov. 7, after which Nelson handed Dunleavy a sideline pass. That was never the plan for the versatile former Duke star who could play guard and both forward positions.

    He gave the Warriors 11.4 points and 4.8 rebounds per game this season. Decent numbers, but then, Dunleavy wasn't given a five-year, $45 million extension in the offseason to be decent.

    Dunleavy never found a fit in Nelson's up-tempo game, as was the case in whatever it was former coaches Mike Montgomery and Eric Musselman tried to do with him.

    "Sometimes in life, things just don't work out and you just have to move on," Dunleavy said. "No matter how hard you try or what you do, it's just not meant to be and you need a new start, a fresh beginning. In terms of the situation, yeah, I question whether it was the right situation.

    "That's what I'm hoping for here."

    Likewise, said Carlisle, who called Dunleavy a "key player" in the trade that included Troy Murphy, Ike Diogu and Keith McLeod for Indiana's Al Harrington, Stephen Jackson, Sarunas Jasikevicius and Josh Powell.

    Now Dunleavy is a starting guard for Indiana, where no one calls him a draft-day bust or other words inappropriate with preschoolers around.

    Murphy came off the bench for 10 points and 11 rebounds. Diogu did not score in 5:28 of play.

    "It felt really good tonight, like I was a kid playing the rec league," Dunleavy said afterward. "They have great fans here, this is basketball country. We couldn't have asked for a warmer reception."

    E-mail David White at dwhite@sfchronicle.com.

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      Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

      http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...type=printable

      - Gwen Knapp
      Sunday, January 21, 2007


      Before he changed into his uniform, dressing in full Golden State regalia for the first time and started lighting up the scoreboard, Stephen Jackson addressed the weakest part of his game. He went on a charm offensive.

      He raved about getting to play for Don Nelson. He made fun of himself. He declared brotherly affection for his new colleague Baron Davis, whom he has known since high school. He acted as the team's designated greeter before tip-off, taking a microphone at mid-court and thanking the fans for welcoming him to the Bay Area.

      To divest themselves of Mike Dunleavy and Troy Murphy's lead feet and suffocating salaries, the Warriors had to take on Indiana's albatross. Jackson's powerful temperament unnerved the Pacers as much as Dunleavy's aimless jumper exasperated Golden State. Jackson is better-known for pummeling a fan during the Pacers' brawl in Detroit two years ago and for being arrested on a weapons charge outside a strip club in October than he is for anything he has done on the court.

      After the eight-player trade Wednesday, Chris Mullin got by questions about Jackson's rap sheet with a leading sports cliche: "He's ready to put that behind him.'' What that usually means is: "We want to pretend none of that ever happened.''

      So it was a bit surprising to hear Jackson, with a big assist from fellow Pacer exile Al Harrington, give himself some good-natured grief.

      At a news conference before the game, the two newcomers were asked what they thought of making their debut without Davis, who was suspended from Saturday's game for taking a swing at Quinton Ross late in Wednesday's loss to the Clippers.

      "That's real unfortunate,'' Harrington said slowly. "I don't know, it might be some of that Jackson stuff rubbing off on him.''

      The last word had barely left Harrington's mouth when Jackson eagerly followed up: "That's what I told (Davis): 'I just got here, and I'm already rubbing off on you.' ''

      His timing wasn't that good when he tipped in Matt Barnes' missed layup in the second quarter.

      Despite missing the final shot in an overtime loss to the Cavs, Jackson made a great sales pitch to the crowd Saturday night with 29 points. But the pre-game performance might have been more impressive because it didn't come across as marketing.

      He certainly wasn't shy when the chance to criticize Indiana coach Rick Carlisle arose. Asked how he and Harrington felt about leaving a plodding system for Nelson's breathless style, Jackson very forcefully said: ''Let me correct that. We were supposed to be running in Indy. I don't know what happened.''

      In his campaign for understanding, there wasn't room for political correctness. He just stayed on message. He can play the game the way he prefers, the way it should be played. He is happy here. He will stay happy here.

      "The game's fun again,'' he said, "you know, getting up and down the court, playing like you played in high school, like when you were growing up. It's even better now because you're getting paid for it.'' Later, he added "I love to be in the game where it's a rat race. I play with a lot of emotion, so that's the kind if game I thrive in.''

      Most of it might mean nothing in the long term. His temper may be uncontrollable. After all, he wasn't protesting halfcourt basketball when police charged him with firing a gun outside a strip joint.

      But at least, Jackson didn't pretend that he came to Golden State with a clean slate. He owned up to being emotional, albeit with a positive spin, and he clearly knows that he has to prove himself. That's a start.

      Harrington helped out beyond the comedy sketch. Replying to a question about his ability as an inside player, he finished up with a little tribute to the man next to him at the table.

      "This guy right here, Stephen Jackson, is a load, too,'' Harrington said. "He's listed as 6-7, but he plays more like he's 6-9.''

      That remark may say more about Harrington's qualities as a teammate, but Jackson must, in some way, have earned the generosity.

      On the court, his advertised passion revealed itself early. After a Mickael Pietrus dunk, Jackson waved his arms to the crowd, requesting more affirmation for his new teammate. He celebrated a three-pointer of his own with less panache.

      When the game ended, and Jackson was asked if he felt the Warriors had moved fast enough for him, the team's high scorer said: "The question is, 'Can I keep up with them?' '' Another selfless moment.

      They were all fairly small gestures, but a charm offensive isn't a power game.

      E-mail Gwen Knapp at gknapp@sfchronicle.com.

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      • #4
        Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

        Um, Jack was one of our best players, a 7-year veteran, and had a championship ring. Obviously, he is going to be one of the leaders.

        As for Granger, there's nothing there to substantiate the claim that anything Stephen did correlated directly to Granger, so that article, in my opinion, is an overexaggeration on every level.

        "His coach had an almost impossible job trying to control Jackson and several other teammates." That is the problem here. It ain't Jack, it ain't JO, it wasn't AJ, etc. The locker room hierarchy is highly flawed no matter who has been there for the past few years, especially since Reggie retired. No use trying to pin the blame solely on Jack, although he is always the easy target.

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        • #5
          Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

          I don't know how much I believe that Jackson was rubbing off on Granger [in a negative way]. But I'm glad to see Jackson happy to be where he is. He's a good guy and I like what he brought to our team but with the cloud over his head, he really needed to be moved. If there's a city out there that will embrace him and not be so hard on him regarding his past, it's Oakland, Ca. and the Bay Area as a whole. I wish him the best of luck there, and when I move back to the Bay later this year I'll be sure to make it to plenty of Warriors games like I used to before.

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          • #6
            Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

            Rumors - people like to talk, and people love to point fingers. It's in the past, so who really cares, move on. I am more concerned with our record right now. Jack will do fine here in Oakland. I saw he took 25 shots last night, 29 points, that's perfect for him.
            Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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            • #7
              Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

              Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
              Jackson was also viewed in some quarters as the leader of a group of players who had taken control of the Pacers' locker room, making it harder for coach Rick Carlisle to exert his authority.
              UB
              Reluctantly I am coming to the conclusion that any player who is not easily manipulated or intimidated mayhave trouble with RC. There are just too many complaints about him from just too many sources and not all these guys have a personal axe to grind. Start with Detroit not retainning him. If the coach can't get his players to buy into his strategy then he isn't doing his job. It doesn't matter whether he is right or not; he has to get the players on board. Well I'm sure that Dun and Murphy will not give him as much trouble as Jax and Harrington but do we sacrifice a talented bunch of players for the likes of Dun and Murphy. The problem is RC and the problem can't be fixed until LB is gone so we start with those two. I like RC as an asst. but not head coach.

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              • #8
                Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

                ok let's move on, new day.
                Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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                • #9
                  Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

                  Originally posted by odeez View Post
                  Rumors - people like to talk, and people love to point fingers. It's in the past, so who really cares, move on. I am more concerned with our record right now. Jack will do fine here in Oakland. I saw he took 25 shots last night, 29 points, that's perfect for him.
                  Sorry. You don't move on until you solve problems. You just change one problem for another.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

                    Originally posted by speakout4 View Post
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                    Reluctantly I am coming to the conclusion that any player who is not easily manipulated or intimidated mayhave trouble with RC. There are just too many complaints about him from just too many sources and not all these guys have a personal axe to grind. Start with Detroit not retainning him. If the coach can't get his players to buy into his strategy then he isn't doing his job. It doesn't matter whether he is right or not; he has to get the players on board. Well I'm sure that Dun and Murphy will not give him as much trouble as Jax and Harrington but do we sacrifice a talented bunch of players for the likes of Dun and Murphy. The problem is RC and the problem can't be fixed until LB is gone so we start with those two. I like RC as an asst. but not head coach.

                    Well said.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

                      I've got nothing more to say about Stephen Jackson, but this is something more:

                      Originally posted by Mitch Lawrence, NY Daily News
                      Their once-loyal fans, among the NBA's best when they had Reggie Miller and a team that got to the 2000 Finals, had started to abandon the Pacers in the wake of the Detroit riot. Last spring against the Nets in the playoffs, the empty seats at Conseco Fieldhouse were so plentiful, one New Jersey official looked around and said, "Is this really Indiana?"

                      The Pacers could never really begin to win their fans back and start anew until they got rid of Jackson.
                      I thing of two guys in know in particular. One is the night guard in the building where I work. Another is a former work colleague. Both are sports nuts. The guard is extremely knowledgeable about what is going on with the whole NFL and more. The other guy's wife took a lover and left him because he spends so much time watching sports, writing about them in his blog and talking about them.

                      Neither of those guys likes the Pacers at all: neither would go to a Pacers gfame if you paid for the tickets. And both can tell you with a lot of feeling about the process by which they lost interest. The brawl was a big part of it for both of them. The slowed-down, half-hearted way they play under Carlisle is a big part of it, too.

                      Lots of people around here say they like the walk-it-up, half-court, 24-second offense and are happy when the Pacers win games by 72-68. But there are lots of people like my two friends who honestly think they see better basketball at the high schools, and certainly at the college level than they get from the pros in general and the Pacers particularly.

                      Neither of them says that the won-lost record is why they don't like the Pacers. Both were loyal fans of IU through the Davis years. One of them has stuck by the Dodgers all his life, through high and low. They are not fickle fans at all.

                      There's no saying that either of my two friends -- or any of the thousands of people like them -- are suddenly going to return to the Pacers. But one of their strong objections has been eliminated.

                      That can only be good for the franchise.
                      And I won't be here to see the day
                      It all dries up and blows away
                      I'd hang around just to see
                      But they never had much use for me
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                      • #12
                        Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

                        With the Artest trade to the Kings and Jackson to the Warriors the Pacers are personally trying to bring the Western Conference to its knees.
                        The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

                          Originally posted by ABADays View Post
                          With the Artest trade to the Kings and Jackson to the Warriors the Pacers are personally trying to bring the Western Conference to its knees.
                          Thats funny.

                          But it just might work...hmmm...Tinsley to the Suns, anyone???

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                          • #14
                            Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

                            Originally posted by Putnam View Post
                            Lots of people around here say they like the walk-it-up, half-court, 24-second offense and are happy when the Pacers win games by 72-68.
                            When the Pacers were winning with that offense, no one complained.


                            Originally posted by Putnam View Post
                            But there are lots of people like my two friends who honestly think they see better basketball at the high schools, and certainly at the college level than they get from the pros in general and the Pacers particularly.
                            This is ignorance (or worse). Anyone who thinks the basketball is better in high schools and colleges than in the NBA does not know much about basketball.

                            The fans are away because the team is playing .500 ball and the fans are used to better than that. End of story.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Jackson leader of a mutiny and infecting Granger???

                              Not to mention the Colts are playing in the AFC championship game today and could go to the Super Bowl. Another problem is the casual fan , who far outnumber those of us who waste half our lives writing to each other on message boards, have no idea who the hell these players on the team are. They know JO, Foster and to a lesser extent Tinsley but once you get past that many people are like who's Daniels and when did we get Baston ...who'd he play for last year? Rawle Marshall? Where'd he go to college? Now they get to ask what happened to that white guy whose name I couldn't pronounce...oh we traded him...for who?...Ike Diogu? Who the hell is that? Combine that with nothing really positive coming out of the last few years and people lose interest. I know my wife will walk in the room when I'm watching a game and ask those kind of questions. She used to watch the games with me, now she walks thru the room and says things like... Orien Greene? That's a funny name.
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