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  • HoopsHype interview with Danny

    http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/woe...o-to-new-york/

    Danny Granger: “If I was LeBron, I’d go to New York”

    by Gery Woelfel

    Gery Woelfel: The Pacers are headed to the lottery, but nobody can accuse you of tanking it. You have had some exceptional games in recent weeks, including a 32-point performance against Denver and a 30-point outing against Phoenix.

    Danny Granger: You got to finish the season out. You have to play hard until the last game. You want to finish your season strong.

    GW: What has motivated you to stay focused, especially when your team isn’t in the playoff hunt?

    DG: Just the future. You always want to improve your game. Even if you’re losing and your team is out of the playoffs, you always want to improve your game and improve in different aspects as a team. That’s our main focus right now, improving on our overall team performance.

    GW: Before the season, the Pacers were considered a viable Eastern Conference playoff contender. What went wrong?

    DG: We lost a few guys to injuries, and we never really developed a consistent offense. Our offense has been below par for most of the season. And our defense hasn’t been great, either. Last year, as funny as this may sound, our defense wasn’t great but our offense really kept us in a lot of games. This year we haven’t played well on offense or on defense and that’s two really bad things.

    GW: How frustrating has this season been for you?

    DG: It’s been very frustrating. Extremely frustrating. Overall, we have a plan as an organization that we want to accomplish in the next two or three years. I think this year was a minor hiccup, but I think we’re looking good for the future. We got a young team. We’ll have a chance to do a lot of good things in a couple of years.

    GW: The Pacers will to have a very high pick in the NBA draft. If you were the general manager of the Pacers, who would you select?

    DG: Honestly, you’d want the No. 1 pick and, if we had the No. pick, I’d take (Kentucky point guard) John Wall. I think he’s the best player in the draft. There’s some other good players in this draft: Evan Turner (a guard from Ohio State), the big kid from Kentucky, DeMarcus Cousins … But I would still take John Wall.

    GW: Do you think there is a specific positional need for this team?

    DG: We can improve in a lot of different positions. As far as the draft goes, you never look for a draft pick to come in and make an immediate impact. But with a high draft pick, I think you do. And, if you ever have the opportunity to get the No. 1 pick, you got to take the best player in the draft, regardless of his position.

    GW: Looking into your crystal ball, which teams are going to be in the Finals?

    DG: I see the Lakers and Cleveland.

    GW: Any particular reason?

    DG: LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. That’s my two reasons.

    GW: Who is your sleeper pick for the Finals?

    DG: Denver. Across the board, they are probably one of the most talented teams. They got four guys who could be an All-Star in any given year. Whether they get it all together, I don’t know. But they’re talented.

    GW: And who would be your MVP selection?

    DG: I’d have to go with LeBron. Without him, they (the Cavs) probably wouldn’t win that many games. But with him, they are pretty much unstoppable. I think he’s one of the most unstoppable forces in the NBA.

    GW: Speaking of LeBron, do you think he’ll stay in Cleveland or bolt to New York?

    DG: If I was LeBron, I’d go to New York.

    GW: Why the Big Apple?

    DG: New York is the media mecca as far as endorsements and being able to expand your personnel net worth. The exposure you can get there isn’t only nationally but globally. New York does all that for you.

    GW: You aren’t likely to be going anywhere soon, having signed a five-year contract extension with the Pacers in 2008. But do you plan on going back to college and finishing your degree in civil engineering?

    DG: I do. I talk about going back to college every now and then. I would like to do it. I definitely want to pick it up again after I’m done playing basketball. It’s just one of those fields where, if you haven’t done it for 15 years, you probably got to go to school all over again for it.
    Good to see Danny still has a positive outlook for the future considering the pure frustration that this season has been.
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    Re: HoopsHype interview with Danny

    So Danny's on Team Wall. Understandable that he'd want a decent point. Still, Turner would be getting him a lot of open shots.
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      Re: HoopsHype interview with Danny

      So I guess this is the one time we should be thankful Danny isn't as good as LeBron because he's made it clear he would bail if it was him?

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        Re: HoopsHype interview with Danny

        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
        So I guess this is the one time we should be thankful Danny isn't as good as LeBron because he's made it clear he would bail if it was him?
        Moot point. If Danny was as good as LeBron he wouldn't ever have been a Pacer.
        BillS

        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          If Granger Was a GM he Would Select Wall

          The Pacers will to have a very high pick in the NBA draft. If you were the general manager of the Pacers, who would you select?

          DG: Honestly, you’d want the No. 1 pick and, if we had the No. pick, I’d take (Kentucky point guard) John Wall. I think he’s the best player in the draft. There’s some other good players in this draft: Evan Turner (a guard from Ohio State), the big kid from Kentucky, DeMarcus Cousins … But I would still take John Wall.
          http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/woe...o-to-new-york/
          "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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            Re: If Granger Was a GM he Would Select Wall

            Granger is smart, he has a civil engineering degree.
            You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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              Re: If Granger Was a GM he Would Select Wall

              This was already posted... http://pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=51794

              Sorry, could someone please delete it
              "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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                Re: HoopsHype interview with Danny

                Maybe he just doesn't like Cleveland.
                "Danny Granger is one of the top players in the league. To move Danny, you better get a lot back." - Larry Bird

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                  Re: HoopsHype interview with Danny

                  I was surprised he said that Lebron should go to NY

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                    Danny wants Wall

                    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...urner_cousins/


                    Danny Granger hopes the Pacers win the lottery and draft John Wall.

                    "Honestly, you’d want the No. 1 pick and, if we had the No. pick, I’d take John Wall. I think he’s the best player in the draft. There’s some other good players in this draft: Evan Turner (a guard from Ohio State), the big kid from Kentucky, DeMarcus Cousins … But I would still take John Wall."

                    Granger was then asked who he would pick for MVP.

                    "I’d have to go with LeBron," said Granger. "Without him, they (the Cavs) probably wouldn’t win that many games. But with him, they are pretty much unstoppable. I think he’s one of the most unstoppable forces in the NBA.

                    Granger was then asked if he expects LeBron to re-sign with Cleveland or sign with New York.

                    "If I was LeBron, I’d go to New York," said Granger.

                    "New York is the media mecca as far as endorsements and being able to expand your personnel net worth. The exposure you can get there isn’t only nationally but globally. New York does all that for you."
                    I'm not perfect and neither are you.

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                    Ephisians 4: 32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

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                      Re: Danny wants Wall

                      NY has a history of expanding personnel net worth, all right.
                      “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” - Winston Churchill

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                        Re: Danny wants Wall

                        Can this be merged with the other 2 threads already started on this topic?

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                          Re: Danny wants Wall

                          Yeah, what has happened to Granger? His defense is lackluster, at best, he has a tendency to just keep shooting, even if he's not hitting, and now he's talking about John Wall and where he would sign if he were Lebron?
                          Convinces me more that Evan Turner is the pick.

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                            Re: Danny wants Wall

                            Originally posted by brewpopps View Post
                            Yeah, what has happened to Granger? His defense is lackluster, at best, he has a tendency to just keep shooting, even if he's not hitting, and now he's talking about John Wall and where he would sign if he were Lebron?
                            Convinces me more that Evan Turner is the pick.
                            IMO Granger is fine... He hasn't fallin off a cliff or anything. He feels he needs to score a bunch to keep us in games. Everyone would agree he needs to limit his threes. I would guess the lack of help he gets, coaching and the team not coming together are more to blame. Our team stinks this year, I hold out hope that the draft makes it all worth it. I don't blame Danny for the way the team has played. He is still the best player on our team.

                            He just has opinion about where he would sign if he were Lebron, what is wrong with that? Lebron would make a lot more money in NYC, DG is speaking the truth. I agree with him on Wall, but I am sure he would be fine if we got Cousins or Turner. What is wrong with a player having an opinion about something, even if we don't agree with it?
                            Avatar photo credit: Bahram Mark Sobhani - AP

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                              Re: Danny wants Wall

                              Danny scares me a little with that NY talk. The man is right, but where does that leave Indy?

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